joe biden now has to try to help out the obama administration. what do you make of this, chris? >> well, you're exactly right. obama had a bad first debate and you don't want to have two bad debates in a row. i don't think that biden will. you know, it's interesting, i interviewed paul ryan last week and talked to him about, about biden and i said what do you think of biden? you've been studying him obviously and prepping for him. he said, look, he's a very experienced guy and been in this for 40 years and you're not going to throw him off his game. and i said, yeah, how about the gaffes? he says he makes those in exte extempraneous on the stump and i don't think that he was spinning me, a strong determined biden. what's fascinating is the contrast between these guys, an old school liberal in the case of biden and a young gun conservative in the case of paul ryan and i mean, these guys couldn't be further apart in their outlook on the government and what they think are the solutions for the country over the next four years. >> and the way they speak, too, right, guys? and paul r